tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post2611783837491534601..comments2024-03-25T05:26:47.764-04:00Comments on The Peerless Power of Comics!: The Sky-Rider Of LatveriaComicsfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10064955427593820783noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-38568679200277307452015-01-05T19:00:10.337-05:002015-01-05T19:00:10.337-05:00LOL, talk about ships passing in the night--I'...LOL, talk about ships passing in the night--I'd actually put that on the same page as part of the post I pointed you to. :D I don't know, I'd chalk Johnny's odd posture up to Ben "corralling" him on the run, as you so accurately put it yourself at the time. He still strikes me as a Kirby/Sinnott Johnny; frankly, I was more surprised that Kirby would devote a full page to it, which I think makes the whole scene come off a little awkward.<br />Comicsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10064955427593820783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-71555794589907718132015-01-05T10:36:05.401-05:002015-01-05T10:36:05.401-05:00I looked up the issue in question -- it's #80,...I looked up the issue in question -- it's #80, page 3. Check it out and let me know what you think about Johnny. I just really don't think he was drawn by Kirby -- body and face are both off.<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-34259513597773541092015-01-05T06:21:35.466-05:002015-01-05T06:21:35.466-05:00Doug, I'm with you on those little production ...Doug, I'm with you on those little production hiccups. I'm probably wrong, but could you be thinking of the last piece of work featured in <a href="http://peerlesspower.blogspot.com/2012/11/the-fantastic-full-page-five.html" rel="nofollow">this post</a> (which was taken from FF #95)? It's definitely unusual technique on Kirby's part; he seems to be trying to convey both the emotion of the moment (Crystal's departure) and the shadows from the dim lighting of the room everyone is standing in. Once the FF book got away from cramming those tiny panels into an issue, Kirby really started growing into his own, didn't he?<br /><br />Your son is definitely going to be happy with that reading material. You know, even with the introduction of the Panther, for a 10-issue collection that stands out in the way you mention I might have instead made the Masterworks volume comprised of issues 55-65 (stretching it a bit to include that eleventh issue). It's a hard choice to make; I really liked #51, and there were some things in the Panther issues that were pretty interesting. On the whole, though, perhaps the volume you picked up has a good mix of everything that makes the FF what it is. Sounds like a good subject for a BAB discussion, eh?<br /><br />Thank you so much for the very nice words; the blog entries are often so much fun to put together that the only really hard part is finding the time! ;)<br />Comicsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10064955427593820783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-60314459450467991122015-01-04T18:49:24.260-05:002015-01-04T18:49:24.260-05:00Comicsfan, you are a man of the highest energy and...Comicsfan, you are a man of the highest energy and dedication, and I wanted to use this New Year to say I appreciate your output. I wish I could do what you do on a daily basis!<br /><br />And speaking of images by the King that look like they may have been redrawn, I was preparing some of my FFs for auction yesterday and leafed through an issue in the #90s (I wish I could recall the specific issue and page number). There was a splash in the middle of the book (as Kirby took to doing more often late in his run on the title) where I'd swear Johnny was drawn by Steve Ditko. It's totally implausible, given Ditko's departure from Marvel much earlier, etc., but man -- was it a wonky panel. Clearly not a figure drawn completely by Kirby. The inks on the image did look like Sinnott's, but something was really off about Johnny's posture in the panel.<br /><br />I find those sorts of production machinations and anomalies fascinating.<br /><br />And yes, this story is a classic. For Christmas I was able to purchase the Marvel Masterworks that reprints FF #s 51-60 in hardcover literally for a song. I gave it to our oldest son and told him that he might hold in his hands the single greatest 10-issue run in all of comics. Hyperbole? Maybe not.<br /><br />Thanks again,<br /><br />DougDoughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04248324005584963229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-15303883379835806662015-01-04T10:46:19.141-05:002015-01-04T10:46:19.141-05:00True, CF, but I think that perhaps Jack made a mis...True, CF, but I think that perhaps Jack made a mistake in initially drawing the Surfer facing Doom in that panel, then not being consistent in the following ones. Or, as I speculated, perhaps Stan didn't like the expression Jack had drawn if the Surfer WAS facing the reader. Of course there's another possible explanation; it may have been that the Surfer's kipper was obscured by 'Kirby Krackle' and Stan had it revised to show Norrin's look of surprise.<br /><br />Definitely looks tampered with 'though. Incidentally, there are a few instances in other FF mags where Stan had John Romita redraw some panels to accommodate his script, rather than dialogue 'around' the art.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-43682405906897209882015-01-04T09:46:44.491-05:002015-01-04T09:46:44.491-05:00There are certainly several possibilities, Kid. I...There are certainly several possibilities, Kid. I think the last three panels might still have worked, even if the Surfer had been clamped while facing Doom--they'd simply be indicative of the Surfer fiercely struggling to escape. On the other hand, with a pair of inductors clamped to my head, I'm not likely going to be able to turn my body in the opposite direction without breaking my neck! It's not the only instance in <i>Fantastic Four</i> where Lee's script reads differently than what the visuals are showing us, and it's likely this may simply be another case where Lee wanted the story to come across in a way other than what Kirby had in mind. It would then only have been a matter of adjusting that first panel, unless, as you suggest, it was reconsidered; from what I've seen in other such instances, Lee usually tended to leave Kirby's art as is, and rely on his script to get his intentions across.<br />Comicsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10064955427593820783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-65242016533255114912015-01-04T01:24:51.652-05:002015-01-04T01:24:51.652-05:00Classic. mpClassic. mpAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-37138874819625598522015-01-03T23:16:22.539-05:002015-01-03T23:16:22.539-05:00You're right, CF - this four issue tale is ind...You're right, CF - this four issue tale is indeed a classic. (Right along with another four issue run, 'The Skrull Takes A Slave!")<br /><br />One thing, 'though. That panel where Doom clamps the contraption onto Norrin's napper looks strange. The face and hands look like they've been redrawn by another artist, and I suspect that the Surfer was originally facing Victor in that panel, hence Stan's dialogue. However, the subsequent panels show SS still facing away (going by his posture), so I think it highly probable that the panel was revised when this was noticed, but someone forgot to change the 'turn around' balloon at the same time. It's also possible that the subsequent panels were meant to be altered as well, but were overlooked for some reason. And there's always a chance that Jack HAD drawn the Surfer facing the reader, but Stan didn't like something about the expression and had it revised. It sure doesn't look like a genuine Kirby face 'though.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.com