tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post2411219369209021302..comments2024-03-25T05:26:47.764-04:00Comments on The Peerless Power of Comics!: Once An Avenger, Not Always An AvengerComicsfanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10064955427593820783noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-51379045604924350562015-03-18T04:46:50.946-04:002015-03-18T04:46:50.946-04:00To date, I believe that Kirby's work is highly...To date, I believe that Kirby's work is highly under-valued. He was the King of Kinetic Action; while Stan Lee was obsessed with drama. <br /> Jack Kirby's Captain America and Black Panther runs include timeless, yet timely tales. If you juxtapose the seminal Steve Englehart Secret Empire story with Kirby's Cap vs. The Elite, the Secret Empire story is firmly fixed in the Watergate era; whereas The Elite is extremely close to what is going on in America circa the 21st Century. That's the quandary with Jack Kirby: "dated" artwork, with timeless/foreboding tales....Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05795496397953934056noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-18601621489500997982014-01-04T00:02:46.298-05:002014-01-04T00:02:46.298-05:00I recall that Chris Claremont alluded to this issu...I recall that Chris Claremont alluded to this issue in The Trial of Magneto (X-men 200), probably out of admiration for Kirby's work. Magneto is so out of character in this issue, it would have been better to leave this annual outside the Marvel Canon.<br /><br />If anyone needs confirmation of Stan Lee's value to 1960s Marvel, look at the names of the Evil Mutants. Burner? Lifter? Jeez. Any literate 12-year-old could have done better! Perhaps Kirby had at least one foot out the door when he did this.maw mawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00750969504864005256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-5484608626710484402013-01-27T17:07:25.382-05:002013-01-27T17:07:25.382-05:00I never liked the way that Kirby wrote Cap in the ...I never liked the way that Kirby wrote Cap in the 70s, and this story just confirms my bias....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-81013291704642311862013-01-25T14:04:08.560-05:002013-01-25T14:04:08.560-05:00All very good points.
All very good points.<br />Comicsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10064955427593820783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-11593240215960612013-01-25T09:31:43.916-05:002013-01-25T09:31:43.916-05:00I think if Lee had had any confidence in Kirby'...I think if Lee had had any confidence in Kirby's scripting, he'd have let him do it in the '60s - the fact that he didn't says a lot. (I know he let Kirby script The Inhumans just before he left Marvel, but that was hardly a major mag.)<br /><br />As for the '70s, Lee was becoming less and less involved with the mags and probably thought it was worth letting Kirby dialogue his own stuff, just to have him back. Jack always made out that he had no desire to return to Thor and the FF, but it actually may have been his insistence on doing his own scripting that meant he never had any chance of working on them anyway. (Apart from the occasional cover, of course.)Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-7085808931485726142013-01-25T05:29:31.697-05:002013-01-25T05:29:31.697-05:00I've often wondered what Lee's opinion was...I've often wondered what Lee's opinion was of Kirby's scripting, and I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in their meeting discussing the terms of Kirby's return to Marvel and his taking over the scripting of the books he'd be working on. To my knowledge, Lee has never gone on record about it; but I'd imagine he wouldn't be as blunt in his opinion as others have been, myself included.<br />Comicsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10064955427593820783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-15505579506565412432013-01-24T23:11:00.049-05:002013-01-24T23:11:00.049-05:00Makes me wish that Stan Lee had still been scripti...Makes me wish that Stan Lee had still been scripting Jack's tales at this point.Kidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07224781868125924337noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-981297582760697762013-01-24T19:10:45.617-05:002013-01-24T19:10:45.617-05:00They made appearances in a number of Defenders iss...They made appearances in a number of <i>Defenders</i> issues as the "Mutant Force" (with two or three other members), first working for the Mandrill (talk about a step down!) and then the government and even the Secret Empire. Then I think the Red Skull took them over and renamed them--but I haven't seen them make an appearance in a long time. I'm not sure why they never tackled the X-Men--I don't suppose they had any real reason to.<br /><br />BTW, I enjoyed your Kirby run-down a lot. I've seen a number of such posts on Kirby's return to Marvel--everyone always seems to have an interesting take on it.<br />Comicsfanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10064955427593820783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4142199900369238852.post-88668000965348996532013-01-24T12:37:05.668-05:002013-01-24T12:37:05.668-05:00A solid review and I think you hit all the high po...A solid review and I think you hit all the high points, though the best part of this annual may have been the cover.<br /><br />I read this issue a couple weeks ago but stopped short of including it in my Longbox Graveyard review of Kirby's 1970s run on Captain America. I thought it an entertaining action tale and I liked Mister One & Mister Two, but I was puzzled by that abrupt ending and the whole thing with the little spaceship was just bizarre.<br /><br />Did any of the mutants Kirby introduced in this issue make their way into the X-Men canon?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16366973046396822651noreply@blogger.com